Lloyd Waner – Todd Fertig Writes https://toddfertigwrites.com Mon, 29 Oct 2018 04:37:06 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 145297769 Legacy: World Series hero David Price on practice of comparing Negro Leaguers to white counterparts https://toddfertigwrites.com/world-series-hero-david-price-on-practice-of-comparing-negro-leaguers-to-white-counterparts/ Mon, 29 Oct 2018 04:35:40 +0000 http://toddfertigwrites.com/?p=1198 David Price out-pitched the great Clayton Kershaw in Game 5 of the World Series. A few years ago, I asked him about the practice of describing the greatness of Negro Leaguers by calling them “the black (insert name).” Here was his response, from Legacy:

“It would seem weird now, but back then I sort of see why they did it,” said David Price, a tall lefthander, on how it would feel to be called “the black Clayton Kershaw,” a similar pitcher of the modern era. “We don’t do that now, but without social media and television, that was the way they knew to compare players from the two different leagues. I think today we understand why they did that.”

 

Here’s the entire section on the topic:

One telling practice of the era – tainted with the ugliness of racism, but indicative of the respect accorded to Negro Leaguers – was that of associating them with comparable white stars. A catcher named Louis Santop was dubbed “the black Babe Ruth,” as was Josh Gibson. Buck Leonard was “the black Lou Gehrig.” An outfielder named Spotswood Poles was “the black Ty Cobb.”

Looking back on being called “the black Bill Terry,” George Giles remarked “I never could figure out why they didn’t call him the white George Giles.”

Such backhanded compliments, however offensive, demonstrate what people of the era believed about the skills of the Negro League stars.

“I am honored to have John (Henry) Lloyd called ‘the Black Wagner,” Honus Wagner himself once said. “It is a privilege to have been compared to him.” (9)

The correlating of a Negro Leaguer with a white star served its purpose in an era when, not only did blacks and whites not play on the same field, but television, which could have provided some opportunity for comparison, had not yet been popularized. Such nicknames, however, also served to remind of the great racist chasm that separated white baseball from black.

“You know, they used to call me ‘the Black Lloyd Waner.’ I used to think about that a lot,” said Negro Leaguer Jimmie Crutchfield. “He was on the other side of town in Pittsburgh, making $12,000 a year, and I didn’t have enough money to go home on… It seemed like there was something wrong there.” (10)

Rather than focus on how politically incorrect the practice of correlating blacks to a white counterpart may seem today, modern major leaguers tend to view it as an honor that fit within the unfortunately segregated context.

“It was the time, and of course the players that they were comparing them to were great players. So it was a compliment,” said Daryl Boston. “I’m sure if I’d lived in that era, I would have taken it as a compliment, because that was the only way you could take it. You just dealt with it. And because there were two separate sides, the black side and the white side, you just had to roll it.”

“It would seem weird now, but back then I sort of see why they did it,” said David Price, a tall lefthander, on how it would feel to be called “the black Clayton Kershaw,” a similar pitcher of the modern era. “We don’t do that now, but without social media and television, that was the way they knew to compare players from the two different leagues. I think today we understand why they did that.”

Excerpts from Legacy: The Enduring Impact of the Negro Leagues on Modern Baseball and American Society

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